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if I present a check to be deposited from bet777.com

what is a bank supposed to do?
 

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by the letter of the law, assuming they knew it and cared, should they cash it?

it is a confusing law, its complete stupidity aside
 

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Mr. Smith said:
by the letter of the law, assuming they knew it and cared, should they cash it?

it is a confusing law, its complete stupidity aside

That's probably up to debate...the law attempts to regulate betting transactions to and from books, primarily via credit cards and EFTs. A check is something of a different animal--my understanding of the law suggests that even if they *did* know it was from an offshore book (and none of the checks I've ever received from books blatantly advertised that fact--most are for very innocuous sounding companies) unless the book put "gambling winnings" in the comment area (which they don't) the bank has no way of knowing whether it was for gambling purposes or for something like compensation for consulting services, or whatever. That could open *another* can of worms, of course...

But the reality of it is that every one of the many checks from offshore books and/or Neteller I've presented to my bank were deposited without any problem whatsoever. They typically just thank you for your business....
 

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But the reality of it is that every one of the many checks from offshore books and/or Neteller I've presented to my bank were deposited without any problem whatsoever. They typically just thank you for your business....

...and in any case the UIGEA concerns the transfer of funds to an online site and has nothing to say about receiving funds from a gaming operation.
 

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OK so then they should cash it no questions asked. nothing has changed there then
 

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If I get a DBA as Gamble Here, but sell donuts, should banks cash my checks?

Sean
 

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This law is never going to be enforced. It will be lucky if it even makes it through the federal reserve into writing.

It's been 3 weeks and everyone has already forgotten about it. It was an election ploy that no one really wants to spend money on.

Sean
 

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Mr. Smith said:
if I present a check to be deposited from bet777.com

what is a bank supposed to do?
go to a check cashing store pay the fee cash it stuff the money under your mattress:drink:
 

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No actions have taken place yet - no rules or regulations- they have 270 days to try and do something, until then everything stays the same.
 

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You're assuming that the teller would even KNOW about internet gambling. Just because we live in this world doesn't mean anyone else does!

The law has nothing to do with checks. And even if it did, the law doesn't take place for another 250 days or so.
 

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1. a check is a bank instrument, so yes checks are covered under this law.

2. the law is in effect right now, the 270 period is for the Treasury Dept to come up with enforcement guidelines for the law.

3. you're right the teller won't care about the check, it is when it is presented at the clearinghouse the check could be flagged (notice I said could)

the law basically wants banks to code all transactions similar to the way credit card transactions are coded now. This way the government can regulate commerce depending on how the transaction is coded. No one knows how this can be done. I would think they would start by 'coding' certain known bank accts as Internet Gambling. This would intale someone compiling a list of known Internet Gambling Companies Bank Account numbers.

Any checks, wires, transfers of any kind coming from the known bank account would be labeled as Internet Gambling and then in turn be blocked.

Since the number of Sportsbooks Bank Accounts would be less than the number of Players bank accounts, the Treasury Dept will probably recommend that nothing can be done or should be done to accounts on the recieving end.

heck banks may even have a service fee to charge players that could look like this on your bank statement: Denied Internet Gambling Transaction $50 each (just like a bad check fee)

I foresee a huge cat and mouse game where books have several dozen "uncoded" bank accounts that will be used until they are identified and then coded.
 

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Dante said:
go to a check cashing store pay the fee cash it stuff the money under your mattress:drink:

That sounds good Dante.
But if what Buddyboy says above is the ways banks handle it; even that method won't work.
 

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Whoson1st said:
That sounds good Dante.
But if what Buddyboy says above is the ways banks handle it; even that method won't work.
then try this

fly to the book in whatever country it is and go inside and get cash pack it in a tin can in your carryon baggage back to the US ...and then stuff it under your mattress


:toast:
 

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Fishhead, Woody, Who'sOn1st are all correct. The law doesn't apply to transfers from books to customers.
 

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A) law only applies to deposits, not withdrawals

B) it's unlikely the check will say "bet777.com" -- more likely something like "data processing services limited"

C) debit cards are looking more and more like the best way to take money out
 

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stuckinvegas said:
You're assuming that the teller would even KNOW about internet gambling. Just because we live in this world doesn't mean anyone else does!

The law has nothing to do with checks. And even if it did, the law doesn't take place for another 250 days or so.

That is a GREAT point and very important...except for the religious fundamentalists who hate gambling no one outside of our little world really knows much or cares much about Internet gambling...
 

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I am not asking "would they know or would they care?"

or would a check say bet777.com?

simple question, under the letter of the law, if I present a check from bet777.com and a bank decides this is internet gambling winnings, what, to abide by the law completely as written, should they do next?

it would seem the answer is cash it and smile. interesting that so many different answers here. bankers will be far more clueless than this board
 

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